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00:02:03.324 episode to listen to later, and we'll be right here when you get back. 00:02:03.820 --> 00:02:04.930 Jody: So who do we have with us today? 00:02:05.102 --> 00:02:09.841 Gab: Today we have Courtney who is joining us, and , she had a near death experience 00:02:10.141 --> 00:02:15.301 and she's been on a path of searching for answers to explain those experiences. 00:02:15.511 --> 00:02:17.258 So we'd like to welcome her today. 00:02:17.504 --> 00:02:19.643 Courtney, do you wanna just jump right into it 00:02:20.067 --> 00:02:20.967 Courtney: Yeah, absolutely. 00:02:20.967 --> 00:02:21.323 Thanks. 00:02:21.826 --> 00:02:24.980 so I'm, from Putnam county, West Virginia. 00:02:25.280 --> 00:02:31.460 This is my story and as crazy as it all may sound, I promise 00:02:31.510 --> 00:02:32.860 it's a hundred percent true. 00:02:33.352 --> 00:02:41.302 in the summer of 2023, I survived a near fatal attack in my home. 00:02:41.930 --> 00:02:43.760 I was stabbed times. 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:46.200 Five of those wounds were to my neck. 00:02:47.200 --> 00:02:53.360 by all accounts, I should not be here today, but what I'm really, here to talk 00:02:53.379 --> 00:02:57.152 about is, and just, it's not just the attack, it's everything that happened 00:02:57.152 --> 00:03:00.461 before and after that I can't explain. 00:03:01.024 --> 00:03:04.804 Because months before it happened, I was told I wouldn't make it past June. 00:03:05.804 --> 00:03:06.164 Gab: Wow. 00:03:07.164 --> 00:03:08.214 Jody: So how did that come to you? 00:03:08.794 --> 00:03:14.474 Courtney: Well, so this realization, like it came a couple months before that, 00:03:14.504 --> 00:03:15.854 um, towards the beginning of the year. 00:03:15.854 --> 00:03:21.284 But there were a lot of things going on in my life at the time, um, that 00:03:22.284 --> 00:03:25.134 they just weren't good things at all. 00:03:25.624 --> 00:03:32.394 There was a lot of, uh, trauma, so, and then this thought i-it, I don't 00:03:32.394 --> 00:03:33.834 even know if it was a thought. 00:03:33.894 --> 00:03:35.874 It was like this voice. 00:03:36.874 --> 00:03:39.754 Said something to me, on a random day. 00:03:40.261 --> 00:03:44.912 And it was like an unshakeable feeling, but it wasn't, it didn't 00:03:44.912 --> 00:03:49.622 feel threatening and it wasn't, I, I've struggled with mental health for many 00:03:49.622 --> 00:03:54.594 years and it wasn't the same as like a, you know, wanting to hurt myself. 00:03:54.594 --> 00:03:55.044 Gab: Right. 00:03:55.594 --> 00:03:57.154 I think I know what you're talking about too. 00:03:57.154 --> 00:04:01.764 It's just like it's in your head, but you can like hear it, 00:04:01.824 --> 00:04:03.360 but like it's not really a voice. 00:04:03.750 --> 00:04:05.760 It's just like a thought basically. 00:04:05.760 --> 00:04:07.162 But you're like, that's not mine. 00:04:08.756 --> 00:04:09.364 Courtney: Right. 00:04:09.364 --> 00:04:11.104 It's like, who is this other voice? 00:04:11.104 --> 00:04:12.969 Because that's not the voice I usually hear in my head. 00:04:13.004 --> 00:04:13.163 Like, 00:04:13.213 --> 00:04:13.470 Gab: yeah. 00:04:14.164 --> 00:04:14.554 Courtney: what's going on? 00:04:15.514 --> 00:04:20.704 Um, but it was like such a strong thing that like I even went to my therapist I 00:04:20.704 --> 00:04:25.654 was seeing at the time, and he asked me, he was like, well, you're not thinking 00:04:25.654 --> 00:04:27.844 about trying to do anything, right? 00:04:27.844 --> 00:04:29.494 And I was like, well, no, not at all. 00:04:29.494 --> 00:04:30.664 That's why it's so weird. 00:04:30.664 --> 00:04:33.094 I don't know what this is. 00:04:33.330 --> 00:04:33.668 Gab: Yeah. 00:04:34.722 --> 00:04:42.732 Courtney: But it was after that thought happened that just some weird, strange 00:04:42.732 --> 00:04:46.212 things started happening, like around me. 00:04:46.272 --> 00:04:49.851 And, it was actually happening to like a guy I was seeing at 00:04:49.851 --> 00:04:51.951 the time and a friend of ours. 00:04:52.031 --> 00:04:56.743 And, it just, it was like a warning, like it was something like something 00:04:56.743 --> 00:04:57.859 was trying to get our attention. 00:04:58.688 --> 00:05:01.980 Jody: Now I'm curious, did your, did your friends have like similar experiences 00:05:01.980 --> 00:05:03.750 with that inner voice, speaking to them? 00:05:03.750 --> 00:05:06.210 Was it like, were you guys able to put that together and say, Hey, I 00:05:06.210 --> 00:05:09.200 think we're having like kinda like a collective group experience here? 00:05:09.730 --> 00:05:14.200 Courtney: No, uh, it was more like, it was all like, kind of separate. 00:05:14.338 --> 00:05:18.508 There was a, it was more like they saw things that weren't there. 00:05:19.278 --> 00:05:20.408 I heard the voice. 00:05:20.888 --> 00:05:26.367 like there was an addition built onto my house at the time, and both of them 00:05:26.457 --> 00:05:34.462 independently, like from me, saw a shadow back in the room that this addition, 00:05:34.882 --> 00:05:38.143 and there was, it was like it was just right in the middle of the floor. 00:05:38.643 --> 00:05:41.073 So we would just shut that door and be like, well, we're not gonna 00:05:41.073 --> 00:05:42.323 acknowledge that because nah-uh. 00:05:43.403 --> 00:05:43.795 Gab: Yeah. 00:05:44.615 --> 00:05:47.865 Courtney: But it, it was repeatedly for months and months and months. 00:05:48.528 --> 00:05:49.771 Jody: Can you describe the shadow? 00:05:50.771 --> 00:05:55.936 Courtney: It was, it looked just like a man's shadow. 00:05:55.996 --> 00:06:00.286 I mean, and it was average height like, but it was, the lights would be 00:06:00.286 --> 00:06:04.726 on in the room and there was nothing in there like to be causing a shadow. 00:06:05.363 --> 00:06:06.233 And it didn't move. 00:06:06.653 --> 00:06:07.823 It just stayed right there. 00:06:08.347 --> 00:06:08.647 Jody: Right. 00:06:08.827 --> 00:06:10.607 Gab: Yeah, that's interesting that it wasn't moving. 00:06:10.669 --> 00:06:10.958 Courtney: Yeah. 00:06:10.966 --> 00:06:12.434 Jody: It didn't speak or anything like that? 00:06:12.638 --> 00:06:14.051 Courtney: Nope, nothing. 00:06:14.441 --> 00:06:17.083 Jody: Now, how did it make you guys feel? 00:06:18.083 --> 00:06:20.913 Courtney: Um, it was very weird. 00:06:21.778 --> 00:06:24.903 and it was one of those things that's like, well, maybe if we don't 00:06:24.903 --> 00:06:27.353 acknowledge that, it'll just go away. 00:06:28.093 --> 00:06:28.273 Jody: Yeah. 00:06:28.273 --> 00:06:31.303 I think a lot of the times when people see things that they can't explain, 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:33.834 their first reaction is it's negative. 00:06:34.854 --> 00:06:37.458 You know, because it's like you're seeing something that shouldn't be there, 00:06:37.458 --> 00:06:41.350 something that shouldn't be happening, like, oh my God, like what did I just see? 00:06:41.350 --> 00:06:42.550 This, this, this can't be real. 00:06:42.550 --> 00:06:44.230 This has to be, this has to be here to hurt me. 00:06:44.230 --> 00:06:44.350 Now. 00:06:44.350 --> 00:06:48.236 Did you feel like it was a negative presence or kind of neutral? 00:06:48.420 --> 00:06:49.650 Courtney: Kind, kind of neutral. 00:06:49.650 --> 00:06:52.020 Like I never got bad feelings from it. 00:06:53.074 --> 00:06:53.650 Jody: Yeah, that's good. 00:06:54.150 --> 00:06:54.490 Gab: Yeah. 00:06:54.650 --> 00:06:54.840 Courtney: Yeah. 00:06:55.598 --> 00:07:00.698 But it, if you'll remember that, I kind of remember that shadow. 00:07:00.698 --> 00:07:04.801 And then maybe try to keep in mind, the voice, the voice saying 00:07:04.801 --> 00:07:06.241 I'm not gonna live past June. 00:07:06.789 --> 00:07:07.119 Jody: Yeah. 00:07:08.161 --> 00:07:16.061 Courtney: So, in the early morning hours of June 25th is when I was attacked. 00:07:16.611 --> 00:07:23.373 I regained consciousness in the same room where, , that shadow had 00:07:23.373 --> 00:07:25.203 been standing in that exact spot. 00:07:25.923 --> 00:07:30.693 Despite like how severe my injuries were and I know I was in trouble, 00:07:30.693 --> 00:07:37.448 I knew, when I woke up in the floor, I, I knew I was in trouble. 00:07:37.448 --> 00:07:41.195 I could feel blood, but I felt no pain. 00:07:41.735 --> 00:07:44.664 There was no fear, no panic. 00:07:45.395 --> 00:07:52.385 Instead, I experienced like an overwhelming sense of peace and comfort. 00:07:53.402 --> 00:07:54.096 Jody: That's interesting. 00:07:55.096 --> 00:07:57.886 Courtney: yeah, it, it didn't make, it didn't make sense. 00:07:57.976 --> 00:08:01.156 Like I didn't, when a lot of times with trauma, you know, you don't 00:08:01.276 --> 00:08:03.736 exactly remember what happened to you. 00:08:04.633 --> 00:08:05.773 but I wasn't afraid. 00:08:06.703 --> 00:08:07.573 I knew I was in trouble. 00:08:07.963 --> 00:08:08.743 No fear. 00:08:09.403 --> 00:08:15.732 But, that's when I started hearing multiple voices layered together. 00:08:15.822 --> 00:08:21.045 Like they almost sounded like static or like a language I couldn't 00:08:21.045 --> 00:08:28.215 understand, but I heard one of the voices clearly say, oh no guys. 00:08:28.245 --> 00:08:29.177 Courtney's in trouble. 00:08:29.892 --> 00:08:30.543 Jody: Oh wow. 00:08:31.163 --> 00:08:31.493 Gab: Yeah. 00:08:31.565 --> 00:08:32.363 Courtney: Yeah. 00:08:33.163 --> 00:08:36.743 And then that's when it kind of like I'm looking around me and there I 00:08:36.743 --> 00:08:38.183 was physically in that room alone. 00:08:38.183 --> 00:08:39.863 Like there was nobody around me. 00:08:40.173 --> 00:08:43.933 I don't know where, the girl who attacked me went, but she was not in there. 00:08:44.503 --> 00:08:50.693 But my eyes became like fixated on this spot and I had this strong, like 00:08:50.753 --> 00:08:53.423 internal awareness that I was not alone. 00:08:54.323 --> 00:08:59.417 But that I was looking in the spot that, Jesus was there, that he was in the room 00:08:59.417 --> 00:09:00.977 with me, that that was where he was. 00:09:01.614 --> 00:09:06.955 I heard my aunt, my aunt Donna , passed away in 2018. 00:09:07.493 --> 00:09:12.683 She was one of my favorite people, but she, I heard her voice clear as day, and 00:09:12.683 --> 00:09:14.783 she told me it's okay to rest your eyes. 00:09:14.783 --> 00:09:15.203 Just breathe. 00:09:16.203 --> 00:09:19.023 Jody: Yeah, you're ticking a lot of boxes here for, uh, for an NDE. 00:09:19.946 --> 00:09:20.336 Courtney: Yeah, I thought so. 00:09:21.266 --> 00:09:22.946 I thought that that might fall under that. 00:09:23.338 --> 00:09:23.818 Jody: Yeah. 00:09:24.045 --> 00:09:28.705 Courtney: but I, um, I lost consciousness again shortly after that. 00:09:28.735 --> 00:09:32.203 And, I woke up a couple days later in the hospital on life support. 00:09:32.953 --> 00:09:36.343 my mom had been told that basically she was coming up there to identify 00:09:36.343 --> 00:09:39.995 my body, that I won't, there's a good chance I'm not gonna make it. 00:09:40.715 --> 00:09:43.985 But while I, uh, was actually in the hospital. 00:09:44.957 --> 00:09:52.067 I experienced, another, something that, I don't know if it was a dream realm 00:09:52.067 --> 00:09:55.847 or reality or where I was, it could have been something else entirely. 00:09:55.847 --> 00:10:00.507 But I remember being in a vehicle, and I was frantic and I was saying over 00:10:00.507 --> 00:10:02.577 and over again, I have to find my kids. 00:10:03.207 --> 00:10:04.644 I can't leave without my kids. 00:10:05.644 --> 00:10:09.334 And I knew there were other people in the vehicle with me, one in the 00:10:09.334 --> 00:10:10.984 driver's seat and one in the backseat. 00:10:11.404 --> 00:10:14.773 At the time, I couldn't identify who those people were. 00:10:15.584 --> 00:10:19.509 But fast forward to today before we get back, during a conversation 00:10:19.509 --> 00:10:25.209 with my son, he began describing details about my stabbing details. 00:10:25.209 --> 00:10:27.549 He hadn't been told my parents. 00:10:27.659 --> 00:10:32.479 He had been staying with them at the time and they made sure to, kind of 00:10:32.479 --> 00:10:38.149 shield him from everything beyond the fact that I had been hurt and survived. 00:10:38.985 --> 00:10:42.945 So there was no clear explanation for that, how he knew what he was 00:10:42.945 --> 00:10:45.535 talking about, and then it hit me. 00:10:46.495 --> 00:10:47.815 He was the one in the backseat. 00:10:48.815 --> 00:10:49.505 Gab: Oh wow. 00:10:50.505 --> 00:10:51.075 Courtney: Yeah. 00:10:51.165 --> 00:10:58.225 Uh, so like that was kind of chilling to me and it made me wonder like, did 00:10:58.225 --> 00:11:01.495 I somehow reach him or did he reach me? 00:11:01.861 --> 00:11:03.983 Jody: Like almost like a projection sort of thing, yeah 00:11:04.613 --> 00:11:05.663 Courtney: Right, right. 00:11:06.053 --> 00:11:06.657 Um, 00:11:07.643 --> 00:11:09.203 I don't, I don't understand. 00:11:10.377 --> 00:11:15.201 Jody: Now, did you have this vision before you woke up before you 00:11:15.201 --> 00:11:17.751 came to him in the hospital or was it, was it after at some point? 00:11:18.500 --> 00:11:19.330 Courtney: Oh no, it was before. 00:11:19.496 --> 00:11:20.156 Jody: It was before. 00:11:20.186 --> 00:11:20.336 Okay. 00:11:21.336 --> 00:11:21.636 Courtney: Yeah. 00:11:22.636 --> 00:11:25.506 Jody: Well, so your brain was, pretty active while you were in the hospital bed. 00:11:25.768 --> 00:11:26.368 Courtney: Oh yeah. 00:11:26.428 --> 00:11:26.788 Yeah. 00:11:26.788 --> 00:11:29.128 Which was, which was crazy. 00:11:29.578 --> 00:11:33.478 Um, because every first responder I've talked to that, that were, was 00:11:33.478 --> 00:11:37.198 at my house that night, they all said that we, we were positive you were 00:11:37.198 --> 00:11:40.858 gonna die on the way to hospital We didn't think you were gonna make it. 00:11:41.608 --> 00:11:41.998 Um. 00:11:42.998 --> 00:11:44.678 But then if, so that's today. 00:11:44.678 --> 00:11:50.268 But if we go back to, um, that's the eerie stuff around that day specifically. 00:11:50.328 --> 00:11:56.028 Um, but then afterwards, I feel like that night kind of like opened up something 00:11:56.028 --> 00:11:58.927 for me, like a doorway or something. 00:11:59.917 --> 00:12:04.687 Because things just continued and they get, they got stronger 00:12:04.687 --> 00:12:06.367 and stronger over time. 00:12:07.009 --> 00:12:09.919 Jody: Well, if I could interject real quick, that is a thing 00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:11.509 when people go through trauma. 00:12:12.289 --> 00:12:14.179 I mean, that must have been a horrible experience, right? 00:12:14.179 --> 00:12:17.382 So when people go through trauma, you see a lot of this 00:12:17.382 --> 00:12:18.946 stuff sort to happen around them. 00:12:19.687 --> 00:12:22.357 And I don't know if you're familiar with the concept of liminal 00:12:22.357 --> 00:12:24.456 spaces with the paranormal, 00:12:25.336 --> 00:12:26.211 Courtney: I've never heard that. 00:12:27.025 --> 00:12:29.406 Jody: so it's an in-between, it's almost like a transitional 00:12:29.406 --> 00:12:31.806 period or transitional stage. 00:12:32.346 --> 00:12:36.256 You have your previous self right before all this happened, and 00:12:36.286 --> 00:12:39.436 then the event happens, right? 00:12:39.466 --> 00:12:43.096 So that, like right there, you're put right into this in-between stage. 00:12:44.096 --> 00:12:48.356 Where you're sort of open, like your, your brain is wired differently. 00:12:48.356 --> 00:12:52.646 It's kind of changed because you've gone through something traumatic. 00:12:53.646 --> 00:12:57.426 Gab: See, and I would even explain a liminal space different in this situation 00:12:57.426 --> 00:13:00.486 where she's between living and dying, 00:13:00.516 --> 00:13:00.926 Jody: Right 00:13:01.497 --> 00:13:01.827 Gab: Right. 00:13:01.827 --> 00:13:06.837 So she's in that like in between space and that leaves her open 00:13:06.837 --> 00:13:10.467 to things like being able to connect with her and contact her. 00:13:10.467 --> 00:13:10.657 Jody: And she's still there. 00:13:11.337 --> 00:13:14.527 Gab: Because she's like on, know, she's got a foot in both 00:13:14.646 --> 00:13:15.829 sides in a way. 00:13:17.027 --> 00:13:17.207 Jody: Yeah. 00:13:17.207 --> 00:13:17.537 I agree. 00:13:18.537 --> 00:13:20.877 Courtney: Well, well that, I mean, that kind of makes a lot of sense now. 00:13:20.877 --> 00:13:22.857 Like I, I can see that, 00:13:23.857 --> 00:13:25.507 Jody: You know, I mean, it's, it's theoretical too. 00:13:25.507 --> 00:13:29.647 You know, we're not experts in this matter, but we do do a lot of reading. 00:13:29.647 --> 00:13:32.827 We put patterns together and we, we see like where there's trauma, there's 00:13:32.827 --> 00:13:34.479 usually paranormal experiences, so, 00:13:34.509 --> 00:13:34.839 Gab: Yeah. 00:13:35.502 --> 00:13:35.902 Courtney: That's, wild. 00:13:36.202 --> 00:13:37.692 Well, thanks for teaching me that. 00:13:37.852 --> 00:13:38.392 I appreciate that. 00:13:41.829 --> 00:13:48.539 So like if we go back to like, the night of the attack, like it started 00:13:48.539 --> 00:13:54.519 happening to like my, my family too, like my little sister who lives, um, miles 00:13:54.519 --> 00:13:57.669 away from me in like a very rural area. 00:13:57.779 --> 00:14:01.769 Like she woke up that night feeling like something was wrong, she couldn't sleep. 00:14:01.899 --> 00:14:06.967 She described getting up out of bed and when she was walking back to her bed from 00:14:06.967 --> 00:14:13.387 like the kitchen I think there was a light that was coming from the woods towards her 00:14:13.387 --> 00:14:15.727 bedroom window at the exact time frame. 00:14:16.987 --> 00:14:20.047 Um, I don't know if it was me trying to reach her or something 00:14:20.047 --> 00:14:24.099 else, but it was like something was trying to get her attention. 00:14:24.099 --> 00:14:27.789 She said the closer to her window it got, the bigger it got, 00:14:27.969 --> 00:14:29.364 and then it just disappeared. 00:14:30.364 --> 00:14:34.834 And I didn't learn that until a couple weeks afterwards, you but when 00:14:34.834 --> 00:14:39.064 I was released from the hospital, I stayed with her for a period of time. 00:14:39.624 --> 00:14:43.374 The experiences continued, but they were happening to me and her. 00:14:43.474 --> 00:14:47.884 For example, late one night, I saw a shadow figure inside of her home, 00:14:48.064 --> 00:14:53.674 and it, it was like the same presence I'd seen before and the same one 00:14:53.674 --> 00:14:57.154 that seems to appear around that anniversary of my attack each year. 00:14:58.006 --> 00:15:01.786 It was standing outside her bedroom door and I was staring at it from down 00:15:01.786 --> 00:15:07.426 the hall and then it darted through her door into her room, and that's the first 00:15:07.426 --> 00:15:08.506 time I'd ever seen the shadow move. 00:15:09.506 --> 00:15:09.896 Jody: Oh wow. 00:15:10.106 --> 00:15:10.286 Yeah. 00:15:10.286 --> 00:15:13.586 So is it the same, does this appear to be the same shadow every time, 00:15:13.586 --> 00:15:15.296 or does, has it changed over time? 00:15:16.296 --> 00:15:17.376 Courtney: Think it's the same. 00:15:17.376 --> 00:15:18.350 It looks the same. 00:15:19.389 --> 00:15:20.910 Gab: Can you make out any details? 00:15:21.740 --> 00:15:23.600 Courtney: No no, like I, 00:15:24.030 --> 00:15:24.050 Gab: No? 00:15:24.050 --> 00:15:24.780 it's just all black?, 00:15:24.930 --> 00:15:32.118 Courtney: It's, yeah, it's all black, but it's got a more masculine, like build 00:15:33.118 --> 00:15:33.538 Gab: Yeah. 00:15:33.540 --> 00:15:33.690 Courtney: to it. 00:15:34.090 --> 00:15:36.300 I, I don't know if that makes sense or whatever. 00:15:36.414 --> 00:15:36.684 Jody: No. 00:15:36.684 --> 00:15:37.074 Totally. 00:15:37.194 --> 00:15:37.464 Yeah. 00:15:38.014 --> 00:15:44.284 Courtney: Like after that she would hear knocking and the sound of door 00:15:44.284 --> 00:15:48.454 handles moving as if someone was trying to get in or move through the house. 00:15:48.944 --> 00:15:54.368 I was there for some of them, some of them weren't there, but, those stopped 00:15:54.368 --> 00:15:55.998 as soon as I stopped staying there. 00:15:56.808 --> 00:15:57.318 Jody: Oh wow. 00:15:57.604 --> 00:15:59.414 Have you ever tried communicating with it? 00:15:59.774 --> 00:16:03.884 Courtney: Not like, like you all would do it, I just talk to it 00:16:03.884 --> 00:16:05.414 every once in a while if I see it. 00:16:06.074 --> 00:16:08.274 I don't know who it is, or anything like that 00:16:08.466 --> 00:16:08.704 Jody: Right. 00:16:09.215 --> 00:16:13.850 we feel, you know, like a lot of people don't want to talk to these things right, 00:16:13.860 --> 00:16:14.170 Gab: Yeah, 00:16:14.170 --> 00:16:17.633 Jody: Because because they feel, uh, they're there to cause harm or you 00:16:17.633 --> 00:16:19.163 know, it's not natural, whatever. 00:16:19.163 --> 00:16:20.933 And then of course, religion gets. 00:16:21.947 --> 00:16:22.043 I don't wanna 00:16:22.153 --> 00:16:22.453 Gab: Intertwined 00:16:22.593 --> 00:16:27.063 Jody: say gets in the way, but your religious beliefs, sometimes you're 00:16:27.063 --> 00:16:32.367 brought up to think that these things are, um, you know, if they're not 00:16:32.367 --> 00:16:35.607 angels, what are they, you know, if they're, it's, it's very binary, right? 00:16:35.607 --> 00:16:37.087 It's angels and demons and all this. 00:16:38.087 --> 00:16:42.115 So if you had to, I, I promise I'm getting somewhere with this question, but if you 00:16:42.115 --> 00:16:46.227 had to put a label on it, and I know I asked this before, you said you didn't 00:16:46.227 --> 00:16:47.607 feel negative, it was very neutral. 00:16:47.847 --> 00:16:50.997 Do you feel like it, it relates to your religion in any way? 00:16:51.997 --> 00:16:57.107 Like whether it's, you know, an angel, demon, um, guardian spirit? 00:16:57.227 --> 00:16:57.527 Gab: Yeah. 00:16:57.557 --> 00:16:57.748 Jody: Something in-between? 00:16:59.102 --> 00:17:01.865 Courtney: I definitely get more of a guardian vibe. 00:17:02.541 --> 00:17:07.833 sometimes other times I do have a feeling that it might 00:17:07.833 --> 00:17:09.933 be a little bit more sinister. 00:17:10.435 --> 00:17:10.735 Jody: Okay. 00:17:11.111 --> 00:17:13.481 Courtney: I mean like sometimes like things will happen that it's 00:17:13.481 --> 00:17:18.287 like a comforting feeling even, but other times it's just bad there. 00:17:18.317 --> 00:17:21.307 There are certain times that they give off bad vibes. 00:17:21.427 --> 00:17:21.937 Definitely. 00:17:22.143 --> 00:17:24.603 Jody: So do you think it's a little trickstery, like it's trying to come 00:17:24.603 --> 00:17:28.705 off as maybe like a, a, a very neutral or positive thing, but it's, you know, 00:17:28.705 --> 00:17:30.244 maybe hiding it's more sinister side? 00:17:31.244 --> 00:17:32.264 Courtney: I think it's possible. 00:17:32.624 --> 00:17:33.254 Very possible. 00:17:34.254 --> 00:17:34.584 Jody: And 00:17:34.674 --> 00:17:36.804 how do you feel like this is still going on today? 00:17:36.804 --> 00:17:37.164 Right. 00:17:38.164 --> 00:17:40.084 Courtney: Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. 00:17:40.584 --> 00:17:41.646 Jody: Have you set boundaries? 00:17:42.514 --> 00:17:42.814 Courtney: Yeah. 00:17:43.084 --> 00:17:43.564 Oh yeah. 00:17:44.494 --> 00:17:51.104 If it's, if I get any sort of bad feeling, I address it immediately. 00:17:51.824 --> 00:17:56.264 I've said openly several times, like, I'm a child of God. 00:17:57.264 --> 00:17:59.274 God will protect me. 00:17:59.694 --> 00:18:00.774 You're not doing this. 00:18:00.774 --> 00:18:01.199 You need to stop. 00:18:02.199 --> 00:18:03.039 Gab: Does it listen? 00:18:03.936 --> 00:18:05.256 Courtney: typically it'll back off. 00:18:05.256 --> 00:18:07.431 It, it, it will, strangely enough, it will do that. 00:18:08.431 --> 00:18:09.961 Jody: Yeah, that, I mean, that, that checks out 00:18:09.961 --> 00:18:10.301 Gab: That's good. 00:18:10.301 --> 00:18:12.601 Jody: I mean, the power, it's your in, it's your intention. 00:18:12.601 --> 00:18:17.011 So it's the power of your intention that is like, basically you're setting 00:18:17.071 --> 00:18:19.651 a line, you're setting rules, you're setting, you're drawing a line, and you're 00:18:19.651 --> 00:18:23.750 saying, all right, like, it, it's cool that you're here, but you know, like, I 00:18:23.750 --> 00:18:25.610 didn't like that, so please back away. 00:18:25.880 --> 00:18:26.240 You know? 00:18:26.330 --> 00:18:28.640 And that's, uh, I think you're doing, I think you're doing it 00:18:28.640 --> 00:18:29.605 the right way, to be honest. 00:18:30.605 --> 00:18:31.055 Courtney: Awesome. 00:18:31.115 --> 00:18:31.955 Well, that's good to know. 00:18:31.955 --> 00:18:36.650 I can, uh, I'm sure my boyfriend will be, uh, very thrilled to know that I'm doing, 00:18:36.785 --> 00:18:40.315 I'm trying that, that's what works for me. 00:18:41.090 --> 00:18:43.580 Gab: And it could also maybe like sense that you're scared 00:18:43.580 --> 00:18:45.020 and it doesn't wanna scare you. 00:18:46.020 --> 00:18:48.240 You know, so it like backs off. 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:51.900 Like, I don't wanna scare her like, oh, I scared her again, I don't wanna do that. 00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:52.260 Jody: Yeah. 00:18:52.260 --> 00:18:53.430 This, this stuff is weird. 00:18:53.430 --> 00:18:55.920 Like, especially the, in the in-between stuff that you can't, 00:18:55.920 --> 00:18:59.820 you know, if it's not a loved one or it's not like a, a spirit of someone 00:18:59.820 --> 00:19:00.930 you knew that's trying to help. 00:19:00.930 --> 00:19:05.032 Like if it's just a guardian spirit, odds are, it's been around for a while. 00:19:06.032 --> 00:19:07.322 It's older than all of us. 00:19:07.532 --> 00:19:09.572 So there might be like a communication barrier. 00:19:10.646 --> 00:19:11.882 All hypothetical, of course. 00:19:11.882 --> 00:19:12.082 Right. 00:19:13.132 --> 00:19:15.882 But I just find it really interesting that when you set 00:19:15.882 --> 00:19:17.412 boundaries like that, it, it works. 00:19:17.412 --> 00:19:21.560 Because I've heard a lot of stories where people say like the Lord's Prayer and 00:19:21.560 --> 00:19:25.310 immediately, you know, whatever it is that's, that's, that's on them backs off. 00:19:25.540 --> 00:19:25.707 Gab: Yeah. 00:19:26.902 --> 00:19:27.382 Courtney: Wow. 00:19:28.312 --> 00:19:32.392 Well, and then sometimes I get the impression that maybe there's, there's 00:19:32.392 --> 00:19:34.815 multiple, there's a couple of them. 00:19:35.258 --> 00:19:36.888 Jody: Yeah, there could be. 00:19:37.190 --> 00:19:38.538 Gab: That's interesting too, yeah 00:19:38.598 --> 00:19:41.238 Jody: But that's why I'm asking if it's changing over time and all that. 00:19:41.238 --> 00:19:43.895 But, uh, that would've been one of my questions too, if you think it's 00:19:43.895 --> 00:19:47.135 the same entity or if it's multiples, but yeah, that's very interesting. 00:19:47.135 --> 00:19:48.570 So what makes you say that it may be multiple? 00:19:49.110 --> 00:19:53.237 Courtney: Well, um, here's perfect example, that I could think of. 00:19:53.927 --> 00:19:59.171 like after it happened, and the first time I went back into my house, I was trying to 00:19:59.171 --> 00:20:04.181 get some stuff together and because of the renovations I'd been doing in my house, 00:20:04.181 --> 00:20:08.351 like the air conditioning was unplugged, and this is July, so it's hot in there. 00:20:09.351 --> 00:20:14.331 And as I'm standing there, I feel something come up the side of me and 00:20:14.331 --> 00:20:19.960 it's cold in this spot and I feel it like it's wrapping its arm around me to 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:21.910 be like, ah, thank goodness you're okay. 00:20:22.687 --> 00:20:27.067 And then there were other times I'd go back to the house and like I 00:20:27.067 --> 00:20:29.587 had a, a thing about closed doors. 00:20:29.587 --> 00:20:31.195 I don't like open doors. 00:20:31.275 --> 00:20:36.865 And I would go through the house and I would shut all the doors, and then 00:20:36.865 --> 00:20:38.515 one day I felt something pull back. 00:20:39.378 --> 00:20:43.200 Then it was like that same night, I was like, okay, well, um, I'm 00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:44.220 gonna go ahead and get outta here. 00:20:44.760 --> 00:20:52.710 Um, and of course, you know, this is like late, late at night and no sooner than 00:20:52.710 --> 00:20:57.720 I shut my front door, there was banging inside that house and I hear a knock 00:20:58.140 --> 00:21:00.690 three knocks on the bathroom window. 00:21:01.690 --> 00:21:02.380 Gab: Oh wow. 00:21:03.198 --> 00:21:05.178 Courtney: Yeah, and it was very eerie. 00:21:05.388 --> 00:21:07.038 That's one of the bad feelings. 00:21:07.038 --> 00:21:08.718 It's like, oh, I needed to get outta there. 00:21:09.502 --> 00:21:10.072 Gab: Yeah. 00:21:10.098 --> 00:21:10.878 Courtney: I wasn't welcome. 00:21:11.879 --> 00:21:12.058 Jody: Yeah. 00:21:12.058 --> 00:21:15.951 I mean we found when things like that happen, when we addressed 00:21:15.951 --> 00:21:19.901 it right away, it, you know, I don't know if it's a placebo effect 00:21:19.911 --> 00:21:19.920 Courtney: Maybe 00:21:20.905 --> 00:21:24.835 Jody: Again, you draw a line and you say, Hey, cool it back 00:21:24.835 --> 00:21:25.876 off and it's worked for us. 00:21:26.086 --> 00:21:28.589 You know, so far yeah, we haven't we really haven't had 00:21:28.589 --> 00:21:30.209 any terrible negative experiences. 00:21:30.209 --> 00:21:33.999 We've had some things that scared the crap out of us, but 00:21:33.999 --> 00:21:35.273 nothing that was really harmful. 00:21:36.273 --> 00:21:39.993 Courtney: See, I just, um, because I like, didn't know what I was messing with. 00:21:39.993 --> 00:21:44.613 Like I didn't really, like at first really wanna say much, but that, that 00:21:44.613 --> 00:21:49.923 night with the bathroom door, when it pulled back, I opened the door and I 00:21:49.923 --> 00:21:54.333 was like, I don't know what you are, but you are gonna wait till I leave. 00:21:54.423 --> 00:21:56.493 Like, I'm, you're not doing this right now. 00:21:57.510 --> 00:21:59.443 Jody: And of course there could be a perfectly natural 00:21:59.443 --> 00:22:00.703 explanation for everything, right? 00:22:00.733 --> 00:22:03.643 You could have a pressure issue in the house, you know, some windows are open 00:22:03.643 --> 00:22:06.763 or all the windows are closed, and then you pull on the door and you know, 00:22:06.763 --> 00:22:08.139 air pressure does weird things, right? 00:22:08.663 --> 00:22:11.602 You see it in office buildings when the air pressure's off the front doors, 00:22:11.602 --> 00:22:13.162 sometimes push or open on their own. 00:22:14.178 --> 00:22:17.882 So, and I'm not trying to say, I'm not trying to say that I don't believe you. 00:22:18.242 --> 00:22:21.782 I'm just saying sometimes there is a natural explanation for things. 00:22:22.172 --> 00:22:23.082 Maybe not the bangs. 00:22:23.222 --> 00:22:24.002 I don't know about those. 00:22:26.398 --> 00:22:27.178 Courtney: Yeah, of course. 00:22:27.178 --> 00:22:31.288 Like, and I'm open to all of that, you know, I, I, I'd love to know. 00:22:31.348 --> 00:22:36.631 Um, but since then, I mean, that was almost the three 00:22:36.631 --> 00:22:37.591 year anniversary coming up. 00:22:38.461 --> 00:22:40.561 Every year around the anniversary. 00:22:40.561 --> 00:22:45.538 Typically within, uh, about the end of April, things will start. 00:22:46.538 --> 00:22:48.008 Kind of acting up again. 00:22:48.098 --> 00:22:52.508 Um, they become more noticeable, like the, the shadow figures come back, 00:22:52.568 --> 00:22:55.332 the sounds, just increased awareness. 00:22:55.332 --> 00:22:59.696 And I know some of that probably is related to like trauma and PTSD 00:22:59.696 --> 00:23:00.536 Jody: Oh, absolutely. 00:23:00.536 --> 00:23:04.016 I was gonna say that that's, some of that could be you, but that doesn't negate 00:23:04.016 --> 00:23:05.361 the fact that this stuff is happening. 00:23:06.951 --> 00:23:07.511 Do you know what I mean? 00:23:07.537 --> 00:23:10.057 Because it, there is, you know, there's all that intent and that 00:23:10.057 --> 00:23:11.587 energy that you're putting into it too. 00:23:11.887 --> 00:23:14.734 And you're still having that repeated trauma on the anniversary. 00:23:14.944 --> 00:23:19.584 It's almost like, I don't wanna say you're creating, a haunting, 00:23:20.975 --> 00:23:25.404 but it could be drawn to that energy and say, Hey, remember me 00:23:25.671 --> 00:23:26.691 Gab: Like you're priming it. 00:23:26.898 --> 00:23:27.328 Jody: Mm-hmm. 00:23:27.398 --> 00:23:27.738 Courtney: Right. 00:23:27.798 --> 00:23:28.914 Jody: I was here for you that night. 00:23:28.914 --> 00:23:29.844 I tried to warn you. 00:23:29.844 --> 00:23:31.144 Whatever, whatever the case may be. 00:23:31.694 --> 00:23:33.344 Courtney: Oh, and that makes total sense. 00:23:33.344 --> 00:23:37.874 And like, that's why sometimes like when I, I'll hear it 00:23:37.874 --> 00:23:39.494 or like I'll think I see it. 00:23:39.494 --> 00:23:42.914 I'm like, I'm probably just, just let it go. 00:23:43.364 --> 00:23:48.434 But like there's sometimes, you know, like if I'm home and my boyfriend's 00:23:48.464 --> 00:23:52.004 home, we'll end up looking at each other and we'll be like, saw that right. 00:23:54.524 --> 00:23:56.094 I'm not just losing it, like, 00:23:56.964 --> 00:23:59.454 Jody: Can you give us an example of maybe something that your boyfriend saw? 00:24:00.454 --> 00:24:05.766 Courtney: Um, let's see, let's pick from a number of things. 00:24:06.079 --> 00:24:06.889 What comes mind for you? 00:24:07.176 --> 00:24:11.939 Courtney's boyfriend: Oh god uh the child-like footsteps that uh running 00:24:11.949 --> 00:24:13.865 up and down the halls at night. 00:24:14.105 --> 00:24:14.625 Courtney: Yeah. 00:24:14.845 --> 00:24:14.977 Yeah. 00:24:15.027 --> 00:24:16.247 The footsteps are a big one. 00:24:17.245 --> 00:24:19.125 It likes to play in the hallway here. 00:24:19.600 --> 00:24:22.895 Closet doors are like rattling around. 00:24:23.201 --> 00:24:23.511 Yeah. 00:24:23.511 --> 00:24:28.205 And it, it, it likes to, um, knock on the closet doors for sure. 00:24:28.335 --> 00:24:28.455 Gab: Oh my. 00:24:29.207 --> 00:24:29.597 Courtney: Yeah. 00:24:29.743 --> 00:24:33.163 Jody: It's always the hallways and the stairs and stuff like that. 00:24:33.253 --> 00:24:35.143 Yeah, because those are high traffic places. 00:24:35.173 --> 00:24:39.313 Again, it's another space between floors, a space between rooms. 00:24:39.313 --> 00:24:42.308 It's another liminal space, so we see that a lot. 00:24:43.026 --> 00:24:43.326 Courtney: Wow. 00:24:43.356 --> 00:24:43.956 Well, okay. 00:24:43.956 --> 00:24:46.116 Well that, that makes sense then, but yeah. 00:24:47.116 --> 00:24:49.786 It, it makes it self known. 00:24:49.836 --> 00:24:54.146 But it's more of a playful vibe or like a good one. 00:24:54.146 --> 00:24:58.976 It doesn't feel threatening or anything, but there are, especially closer to the 00:24:58.976 --> 00:25:02.796 date of, um, the attack, the anniversary. 00:25:03.306 --> 00:25:08.076 That's when like the kind of the, the bad ones I feel like come 00:25:08.076 --> 00:25:10.046 out to play a little bit more-so. 00:25:10.858 --> 00:25:13.618 And they just, I think they just like to scare me. 00:25:13.678 --> 00:25:16.228 And there's some days it does. 00:25:16.288 --> 00:25:20.608 I mean, I don't, I'm not gonna pretend like I'm brave all the time and, 00:25:20.951 --> 00:25:21.400 Gab: Right. 00:25:22.778 --> 00:25:25.018 Courtney: there's sometimes I take off running back the hallway 00:25:25.058 --> 00:25:26.568 because I'm not doing that. 00:25:28.568 --> 00:25:28.588 Jody: Yeah. 00:25:28.598 --> 00:25:30.308 Which again, you're setting a boundary there. 00:25:30.338 --> 00:25:31.928 You're basically saying, Nope, sorry. 00:25:34.350 --> 00:25:34.620 Courtney: Yeah. 00:25:34.620 --> 00:25:34.680 Um. 00:25:41.679 --> 00:25:44.889 Jody: Don't forget to check us out at podcast of the paranormal.com. 00:25:45.309 --> 00:25:48.549 You could find links to our social media, links to our episodes. 00:25:48.849 --> 00:25:51.759 You could stream right from the website, or you could listen at 00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:53.589 your favorite podcast provider. 00:25:53.889 --> 00:25:57.639 If you want to come on the show, use our contact form or you can email us 00:25:57.639 --> 00:25:58.569 at contact@podcastoftheparanormal.com. 00:26:08.524 --> 00:26:12.364 Courtney: It's just, it's very odd to me and I don't know what to make of it. 00:26:12.394 --> 00:26:15.554 You know, I, I'm, like I said, I'm a Christian. 00:26:15.554 --> 00:26:17.144 I believe in God. 00:26:17.144 --> 00:26:23.834 I, I, I believe he was in that room with me because I've never had such, 00:26:24.224 --> 00:26:29.694 I wish I could even try to give you a description of like, how comforting, 00:26:30.414 --> 00:26:33.174 but there was nothing but comfort and love and peace in that room. 00:26:33.184 --> 00:26:35.454 And it, it honestly makes me feel better. 00:26:36.443 --> 00:26:40.593 It was, you know what, here's, here's the best way I can describe it. 00:26:41.010 --> 00:26:43.500 You know that comforting feeling you get when you go to 00:26:43.710 --> 00:26:45.450 like grandma's house or Papa's 00:26:45.552 --> 00:26:45.792 Jody: Yeah. 00:26:46.212 --> 00:26:46.482 Yeah. 00:26:46.830 --> 00:26:50.010 Courtney: and you're, you just feel nothing but love and peace 00:26:50.010 --> 00:26:51.810 and you're like, ah, this is home. 00:26:51.890 --> 00:26:52.310 Jody: Yep. 00:26:53.421 --> 00:26:55.690 Courtney: It was the best feeling in the world. 00:26:55.690 --> 00:26:56.140 It was. 00:26:56.740 --> 00:26:57.580 There was no fear. 00:26:57.820 --> 00:26:58.750 There was no fear. 00:26:58.810 --> 00:27:01.160 I knew I was gonna be okay because he was there. 00:27:01.920 --> 00:27:04.440 Jody: I mean, it sounds like most of this is very positive. 00:27:04.470 --> 00:27:05.130 You know what I mean? 00:27:05.130 --> 00:27:08.922 So, I mean, my unprofessional opinion, I guess I can't say it's my professional 00:27:08.922 --> 00:27:13.084 opinion we're dealing with pseudoscience here, but my unprofessional opinion 00:27:13.084 --> 00:27:16.474 is that, whatever you're doing, you're handling it in the right way. 00:27:16.474 --> 00:27:21.574 You're setting the boundaries and you know, you're, you're having generally 00:27:21.574 --> 00:27:25.223 positive experiences except for those, you know, that one time a year when. 00:27:25.967 --> 00:27:28.217 It's almost like poking the bear a little bit. 00:27:29.217 --> 00:27:29.727 Courtney: Right. 00:27:30.387 --> 00:27:30.717 Yeah. 00:27:30.717 --> 00:27:36.937 And I, I mean, like, I, I just, I can't say thank you enough to like the one 00:27:36.937 --> 00:27:38.587 that did try to warn me, you know? 00:27:38.587 --> 00:27:42.007 I just wish I would've known like what it was trying to warn me 00:27:42.007 --> 00:27:45.581 from, because I didn't know, I thought I was just going crazy. 00:27:45.581 --> 00:27:48.131 'cause I mean, like I said, there was a lot of trauma and stuff going on 00:27:48.131 --> 00:27:54.601 at that time in my life and I had no idea that that's what it was trying, 00:27:54.781 --> 00:27:57.476 but if it wasn't for that, I don't know if I would've made it, you know? 00:27:57.961 --> 00:27:59.521 Jody: Yeah, and this might be off limits. 00:27:59.571 --> 00:28:00.621 So you don't have to answer. 00:28:00.754 --> 00:28:03.364 But would you be able to describe any of the other type of trauma 00:28:03.364 --> 00:28:04.294 that was going on in your life? 00:28:04.324 --> 00:28:06.464 It could be as vague as possible, or just, you know, 00:28:07.026 --> 00:28:09.266 Courtney: Oh no, I won't, I don't care if I describe it. 00:28:09.946 --> 00:28:10.954 it's part of my story. 00:28:11.164 --> 00:28:13.321 It's, just something that happened. 00:28:13.891 --> 00:28:19.922 I had found out during the fall of 2022 that, my youngest son's 00:28:19.922 --> 00:28:21.989 dad had, abused my daughters. 00:28:22.821 --> 00:28:24.531 He's now serving time. 00:28:24.801 --> 00:28:26.481 Luckily, he is where he needs to be. 00:28:27.091 --> 00:28:30.661 And I couldn't cope with that at all. 00:28:30.691 --> 00:28:33.881 I, as a parent, you know, your world completely shatters, 00:28:34.271 --> 00:28:34.611 Gab: Oh yeah. 00:28:34.611 --> 00:28:35.111 absolutely. 00:28:35.111 --> 00:28:36.393 Courtney: when somebody hurts one of your babies. 00:28:37.201 --> 00:28:43.105 And, the guy I was with, handed me drugs to cope, and I, took 00:28:43.105 --> 00:28:44.995 them and it's not an excuse. 00:28:44.995 --> 00:28:45.865 I knew it was wrong. 00:28:45.865 --> 00:28:49.465 I did it anyways because I, I didn't, I was too afraid to ask for help. 00:28:50.465 --> 00:28:54.659 And, there was like a lot of domestic violence going on. 00:28:54.659 --> 00:29:00.319 I lost custody of my kids, so it was a series of horrible, traumatic events 00:29:00.329 --> 00:29:03.299 like all within a very short time frame. 00:29:04.060 --> 00:29:04.479 Gab: Yeah. 00:29:04.716 --> 00:29:04.873 Jody: Yeah. 00:29:04.873 --> 00:29:05.233 I'm sorry. 00:29:05.233 --> 00:29:06.083 You gotta go through that. 00:29:06.323 --> 00:29:07.133 Gab: Yeah that's a lot. 00:29:07.133 --> 00:29:07.843 I'm sorry. 00:29:08.579 --> 00:29:13.854 Courtney: I'm coming up on about three years of sobriety now. 00:29:14.481 --> 00:29:14.747 Jody: Oh, good for you. 00:29:14.747 --> 00:29:15.317 Gab: Oh wow. 00:29:15.317 --> 00:29:16.043 Congratulations! 00:29:17.043 --> 00:29:17.643 Courtney: Yeah. 00:29:17.693 --> 00:29:23.403 I, I live every day for my kids now and, when I get to see 'em and talk to 'em, 00:29:23.403 --> 00:29:27.793 you know, which I'd, of course I'd love it to be more, but, you know, I'll take what 00:29:27.793 --> 00:29:34.243 I can get right now, but they're happy and healthy and that's all I could want. 00:29:35.231 --> 00:29:35.681 Gab: Yeah. 00:29:36.015 --> 00:29:36.465 Jody: Good for you. 00:29:37.465 --> 00:29:37.915 Courtney: Thank you. 00:29:38.916 --> 00:29:39.125 Jody: Yeah. 00:29:39.125 --> 00:29:42.065 So, uh, again, I mean, we're back to, we're back to that 00:29:42.065 --> 00:29:43.445 transitional period then, right? 00:29:43.495 --> 00:29:44.225 You're still, uh 00:29:44.515 --> 00:29:44.878 Courtney: Mm-hmm, Absolutely. 00:29:45.465 --> 00:29:47.505 Jody: I think you're still in it, to be honest. 00:29:47.505 --> 00:29:48.105 Courtney: Really. 00:29:48.404 --> 00:29:50.953 Jody: I mean, again my unprofessional opinion, but yeah. 00:29:50.953 --> 00:29:54.493 I mean, that's three years ago, but you're making progress, right? 00:29:54.493 --> 00:29:56.629 So you said you're sober now for three years, right? 00:29:56.800 --> 00:29:57.070 Courtney: Yep. 00:29:57.150 --> 00:29:59.078 Jody: You see your kids when you could, so that, that's progress. 00:29:59.078 --> 00:29:59.378 That's good. 00:29:59.908 --> 00:30:00.680 That's perfect. 00:30:00.750 --> 00:30:01.020 Courtney: Yep. 00:30:01.140 --> 00:30:03.395 Baby steps are still steps, so that's all that matters. 00:30:03.554 --> 00:30:04.724 Gab: Yeah, absolutely. 00:30:04.730 --> 00:30:07.400 Jody: so maybe this is going somewhere, maybe this is like a learning experience, 00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:10.491 you know, hell these, you know, entities that you're encountering, 00:30:10.551 --> 00:30:12.591 maybe they're sort of guides, right? 00:30:13.611 --> 00:30:13.681 Courtney: Um. 00:30:13.921 --> 00:30:14.701 Yeah, absolutely. 00:30:14.701 --> 00:30:15.481 I could agree with that. 00:30:15.885 --> 00:30:16.635 Jody: What do you think, Gabrielle? 00:30:16.675 --> 00:30:20.565 Gab: I was considering that like are they almost like guardians 00:30:20.565 --> 00:30:20.875 that, 00:30:20.875 --> 00:30:21.145 Jody: yeah. 00:30:21.353 --> 00:30:23.993 Gab: Are there to like kind of help lead you on the right path? 00:30:24.993 --> 00:30:29.843 Courtney: I, that makes me feel amazing because, you know, I just, um, I don't 00:30:29.843 --> 00:30:35.393 know who they are, but, uh, they've, they've saved my life more than once. 00:30:36.093 --> 00:30:37.073 If that's the case. 00:30:37.463 --> 00:30:37.613 Gab: Yeah. 00:30:37.803 --> 00:30:38.293 Jody: That's very cool. 00:30:39.274 --> 00:30:44.053 Gab: And I think too, like a lot of people will act like they're not afraid 00:30:44.053 --> 00:30:45.417 when these things happen to them. 00:30:45.687 --> 00:30:49.977 But honestly, who wouldn't be afraid if something like this happened? 00:30:50.307 --> 00:30:50.997 You know what I mean? 00:30:50.997 --> 00:30:54.867 Like even if you are, know, like investigating or not, 00:30:54.867 --> 00:30:58.257 like it's still scary when you experience something like this. 00:30:58.644 --> 00:30:59.054 Courtney: Mm-hmm. 00:30:59.314 --> 00:31:03.293 Absolutely and like I said, there's times that like I'll walk in the room 00:31:03.293 --> 00:31:05.123 with it and be like, you need to stop. 00:31:05.843 --> 00:31:06.473 is enough. 00:31:06.953 --> 00:31:11.093 And then other times I'm running like a child back the hallway 00:31:11.093 --> 00:31:15.233 because apparently my boyfriend can fight a ghost if necessary. 00:31:15.233 --> 00:31:15.863 I don't know. 00:31:19.193 --> 00:31:20.093 Jody: Oh, that's funny. 00:31:20.390 --> 00:31:21.694 Now set boundaries too? 00:31:21.694 --> 00:31:22.564 Does he set the line? 00:31:23.183 --> 00:31:24.833 Courtney: Um, no, he kind of leaves that up to 00:31:25.101 --> 00:31:25.113 Jody: me. 00:31:25.123 --> 00:31:25.473 Yeah. 00:31:25.953 --> 00:31:27.203 Courtney: He's kinda like, yeah, that, that's you. 00:31:27.415 --> 00:31:28.165 Jody: That's your stuff. 00:31:28.165 --> 00:31:28.435 Yeah. 00:31:28.465 --> 00:31:29.245 That's your baggage. 00:31:29.245 --> 00:31:29.575 Sorry. 00:31:30.833 --> 00:31:31.253 Courtney: Yeah, 00:31:31.255 --> 00:31:31.630 Jody: Oh my God. 00:31:31.733 --> 00:31:34.873 Courtney: I warn him before we moved in together, so that's on him. 00:31:34.873 --> 00:31:35.403 He made this choice. 00:31:36.204 --> 00:31:36.684 Jody: Oh, he did? 00:31:36.828 --> 00:31:38.559 So he knew when he went, he went right into it. 00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:38.799 Huh. 00:31:39.489 --> 00:31:39.939 Nice. 00:31:40.049 --> 00:31:42.539 Courtney: Yeah, I mean, he knowingly walked in, you know, 00:31:42.539 --> 00:31:43.859 so that's his problem now. 00:31:46.705 --> 00:31:49.845 Jody: So have you ever investigated, have you ever done any, any like 00:31:49.845 --> 00:31:50.985 ghost hunts or anything like that? 00:31:51.985 --> 00:31:55.765 Courtney: No, but I have always been super interested in that stuff. 00:31:55.817 --> 00:31:57.167 My mom's always been into it. 00:31:57.167 --> 00:32:03.617 My sisters have too, like, so we're, we're itching to do that one day for sure. 00:32:03.936 --> 00:32:06.336 Jody: Yeah, I mean, it could be a little bit of a self, self-care 00:32:06.336 --> 00:32:07.296 kind of thing, right, Gab? 00:32:07.586 --> 00:32:07.916 Gab: Yeah. 00:32:07.946 --> 00:32:09.056 Jody: Gabrielle loves self-care. 00:32:09.370 --> 00:32:09.790 Gab: I do. 00:32:09.820 --> 00:32:10.926 Jody: That's how we got into this. 00:32:11.443 --> 00:32:13.743 Courtney: Self care is necessary, a hundred percent. 00:32:13.793 --> 00:32:16.324 Trust me, that's a big thing with sobriety. 00:32:16.324 --> 00:32:17.784 Like they always preach that, you know. 00:32:17.784 --> 00:32:18.264 Gab: Yes. 00:32:18.294 --> 00:32:19.539 Courtney: Gotta take care of yourself, so. 00:32:20.539 --> 00:32:20.929 Jody: Yep. 00:32:21.542 --> 00:32:22.971 Gab: I have a weird question. 00:32:23.971 --> 00:32:30.108 Have you ever tried to talk to the spirits about what had happened to you? 00:32:30.715 --> 00:32:35.911 Courtney: No, I, I don't, I don't, I actually never had that thought actually. 00:32:36.721 --> 00:32:40.861 Gab: I'm actually wondering, like if you talk to them and you explain, you know, 00:32:40.861 --> 00:32:46.051 like everything that you went through the attack, your recovery, like maybe 00:32:46.051 --> 00:32:50.071 explain how like all of that made you feel, how their presence makes you feel. 00:32:50.281 --> 00:32:53.341 I'm wondering if that would like change, like your interactions with them. 00:32:53.461 --> 00:32:56.161 Jody: Well, even tell them that if they're, if, if they're specifically 00:32:56.161 --> 00:32:58.261 around to feed off that trauma. 00:32:58.351 --> 00:32:58.651 Gab: Right. 00:32:58.651 --> 00:33:01.624 Jody: That you don't appreciate that and you could set a line with that too. 00:33:02.366 --> 00:33:02.936 Courtney: Oh wow. 00:33:02.966 --> 00:33:03.476 Okay. 00:33:03.626 --> 00:33:06.566 I mean like how does one do something like that, like 00:33:06.986 --> 00:33:08.256 communicate like that with them? 00:33:08.753 --> 00:33:08.983 Jody: You just talk. 00:33:08.983 --> 00:33:10.676 Gab: You could, just sit and talk to them. 00:33:11.088 --> 00:33:11.474 Courtney: Okay. 00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:14.540 Gab: I would find like the spot maybe where you feel them the most. 00:33:14.605 --> 00:33:14.930 Courtney: Hm-hmm. 00:33:14.996 --> 00:33:16.780 Gab: You know, sit down, get comfortable. 00:33:17.170 --> 00:33:20.350 You could even like record it if you want and see if you hear anything. 00:33:20.350 --> 00:33:21.640 Like when you're playing it back. 00:33:22.690 --> 00:33:22.820 Jody: Write a note. 00:33:22.820 --> 00:33:23.200 Write a note. 00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:23.930 Leave a note out. 00:33:24.398 --> 00:33:28.568 Gab: And it could even maybe in a way like be cathartic for you to like talk 00:33:28.568 --> 00:33:32.708 about it and, you know, nobody's really there to say anything to you to interject. 00:33:33.188 --> 00:33:36.458 You know, you can just tell your story out there, like in the open. 00:33:36.632 --> 00:33:36.842 Courtney: Mm-hmm. 00:33:37.412 --> 00:33:38.142 That's a thought. 00:33:38.445 --> 00:33:41.285 Jody: And then when your family and your loved ones are asking what all these weird 00:33:41.285 --> 00:33:44.255 notes are laying around the house, you just say, oh, that's just my side project. 00:33:44.255 --> 00:33:45.005 Don't worry about that. 00:33:45.810 --> 00:33:47.340 Courtney: Yeah, it's completely normal. 00:33:47.340 --> 00:33:47.780 Just ignore it. 00:33:47.934 --> 00:33:47.994 Jody: Yeah. 00:33:48.001 --> 00:33:48.058 Gab: Yeah. 00:33:49.674 --> 00:33:51.024 Jody: Well, because it's for you, right? 00:33:51.024 --> 00:33:54.714 This is, this is for you, you know, like if it's something you need to do to heal. 00:33:55.234 --> 00:33:59.575 I mean, I've been to a therapist before and I've had them tell me, write a note, 00:34:00.201 --> 00:34:04.222 tuck it away, and then when the issue resolves itself, light it on fire. 00:34:04.928 --> 00:34:06.338 Courtney: I've, I've heard of that too. 00:34:06.338 --> 00:34:07.598 We actually did that before. 00:34:07.598 --> 00:34:07.808 Yeah. 00:34:07.838 --> 00:34:10.728 Um, but, um, that's an idea. 00:34:10.728 --> 00:34:11.358 Absolutely. 00:34:11.358 --> 00:34:13.848 I think I, I'd be open to trying that for sure. 00:34:14.103 --> 00:34:14.263 Absolutely. 00:34:15.313 --> 00:34:15.633 Gab: Yeah. 00:34:16.302 --> 00:34:19.085 Jody: Yeah, I mean your, your mind is, uh, your mind is a funny thing. 00:34:19.085 --> 00:34:21.805 You know, like your, perception and how you change your 00:34:21.805 --> 00:34:23.040 perception around these things. 00:34:23.190 --> 00:34:24.360 That's what creates your reality. 00:34:25.388 --> 00:34:27.883 So if you're having, you know, if you're having issues with these 00:34:27.883 --> 00:34:31.012 things and you don't like them, and like I said, it seems very, very 00:34:31.012 --> 00:34:34.132 positive, you know, 90% of the time, except for that one time a year. 00:34:35.002 --> 00:34:38.842 If, if, it helps you to do these little exercises to sort of, you 00:34:38.842 --> 00:34:42.587 know, put it out there, get it off your mind and like, heal a little 00:34:42.587 --> 00:34:44.177 bit and, and set those boundaries. 00:34:44.177 --> 00:34:45.017 I mean, why not right? 00:34:46.017 --> 00:34:46.677 Courtney: Yeah, absolutely. 00:34:46.677 --> 00:34:49.317 I mean it, what's the worst thing that could happen? 00:34:49.317 --> 00:34:49.917 I mean it's going to 00:34:50.758 --> 00:34:52.467 stay I mean, it's already there, 00:34:52.808 --> 00:34:53.006 Gab: Right. 00:34:53.197 --> 00:34:53.617 Courtney: You know, like 00:34:54.517 --> 00:34:54.937 Gab: Right. 00:34:55.488 --> 00:34:57.468 Courtney: I would definitely have to give that a shot, for sure. 00:34:57.682 --> 00:34:58.042 Jody: Yeah. 00:34:59.072 --> 00:35:01.022 Courtney: Cause I thought you guys were about to bring up an Ouija 00:35:01.022 --> 00:35:02.822 board and I was be like, I can't 00:35:03.062 --> 00:35:03.872 Jody: no. 00:35:03.902 --> 00:35:06.392 I don't think i'd, I can't recommend that to anybody. 00:35:06.392 --> 00:35:06.672 I don't think. 00:35:06.756 --> 00:35:06.846 Gab: No. 00:35:06.902 --> 00:35:07.462 Jody: You know what I mean? 00:35:07.750 --> 00:35:10.109 You don't seem like you'd be too comfortable that anyway, being a 00:35:10.139 --> 00:35:11.729 Christian, so I wouldn't recommend that. 00:35:11.966 --> 00:35:12.536 Courtney: Yeah. 00:35:12.606 --> 00:35:16.036 Yeah, I'm not, I wasn't really thinking about doing in the first, and plus 00:35:16.036 --> 00:35:19.476 my son has warned me that if there was an Ouija board in the house, he's 00:35:19.476 --> 00:35:20.906 never spending the night with me again. 00:35:20.906 --> 00:35:25.486 So um, I'm gonna try to keep that out for sure. 00:35:25.652 --> 00:35:28.952 Jody: Oh, we have one, we have one out for decoration actually in our, in 00:35:28.952 --> 00:35:30.542 our right outside of our dining room. 00:35:30.592 --> 00:35:31.277 Gab: Yeah, we don't use it. 00:35:31.424 --> 00:35:33.554 Courtney: Well, I mean, well I bet it's a cool decoration. 00:35:33.984 --> 00:35:34.224 Yeah, for sure. 00:35:34.330 --> 00:35:35.350 Jody: It was handmade. 00:35:35.350 --> 00:35:36.040 Yeah, it's awesome. 00:35:37.040 --> 00:35:37.640 Courtney: That's awesome. 00:35:37.645 --> 00:35:37.995 I bet. 00:35:37.995 --> 00:35:38.015 I bet. 00:35:38.210 --> 00:35:38.780 It really is. 00:35:38.780 --> 00:35:39.140 Cool. 00:35:39.917 --> 00:35:43.402 Jody: To wrap it up, Do you think that these, events are escalating 00:35:43.904 --> 00:35:46.447 as the years go on, or is it kinda just stay where it's at? 00:35:47.447 --> 00:35:50.177 Courtney: Um, I kind of think it's just for now, it's been 00:35:50.177 --> 00:35:51.737 kind of consistent every year. 00:35:52.104 --> 00:35:52.147 Jody: Yeah. 00:35:53.147 --> 00:35:54.573 Gab: Have they started for this year? 00:35:55.647 --> 00:35:56.157 Courtney: Oh yeah, 00:35:56.307 --> 00:35:56.667 yeah, 00:35:57.657 --> 00:35:58.077 yeah. 00:35:58.557 --> 00:36:02.557 Around, uh, end of April it's pretty consistent and then it just kind of 00:36:02.557 --> 00:36:04.987 like escalates as the weeks go on. 00:36:04.987 --> 00:36:10.936 And then within a few days it, um, it's really kind of intense 00:36:10.936 --> 00:36:17.446 feelings, and then it does not stick around really after the anniversary. 00:36:18.216 --> 00:36:19.106 Every once in a while. 00:36:19.990 --> 00:36:20.980 Gab: Oh, that's interesting. 00:36:21.196 --> 00:36:23.656 Jody: Mm. Just because I know you mentioned you see a therapist. 00:36:23.686 --> 00:36:25.876 Um, have you talked to your therapist about any of this? 00:36:26.876 --> 00:36:27.776 Courtney: Oh yeah, yeah. 00:36:28.616 --> 00:36:31.826 You know, uh, it's really reassuring that she can't tell other people 00:36:31.826 --> 00:36:34.016 that all this stuff, you know? 00:36:34.631 --> 00:36:38.621 But she, she's pretty open and cool about it and, you know, she just tells 00:36:38.621 --> 00:36:44.001 me to, you know, keep a journal, write it all down, So that way, you know, 00:36:44.031 --> 00:36:47.371 go back and look and like, well no said this, see it, it really happened. 00:36:47.571 --> 00:36:53.587 And um, yeah, it's nice to not think that like, have somebody look 00:36:53.587 --> 00:36:53.677 Courtney Moore: at 00:36:53.677 --> 00:36:54.037 Courtney: you like, 00:36:54.597 --> 00:36:57.207 Jody: Now, does any of this happen to you, uh, in your dreams, in your dream state? 00:36:58.207 --> 00:36:58.597 Courtney: Um. 00:36:59.597 --> 00:37:02.537 Sometimes, it's not very often. 00:37:02.537 --> 00:37:07.247 I've only had maybe a handful of dreams where it's kind of made itself known. 00:37:08.173 --> 00:37:10.328 Jody: You said you kept a journal, so was wondering if you, if you 00:37:10.328 --> 00:37:11.263 kept a dream journal as well. 00:37:12.263 --> 00:37:13.673 Courtney: Oh, all of that goes in the same one. 00:37:14.055 --> 00:37:14.425 Jody: Okay. 00:37:15.415 --> 00:37:16.426 Yeah, that makes sense. 00:37:16.426 --> 00:37:18.826 It's, it's funny too, and the other reason I'm asking that is because, 00:37:18.886 --> 00:37:22.636 um, I have found that I keep a dream journal and I found that when I go 00:37:22.636 --> 00:37:26.896 back some of the weird, bonkers dreams that I have, uh, relate to things that 00:37:26.896 --> 00:37:28.643 are going on further on in my life. 00:37:29.566 --> 00:37:31.996 So it's almost like they're outta place when I'm having those dreams, 00:37:31.996 --> 00:37:33.076 but then they make sense later. 00:37:34.076 --> 00:37:36.776 Courtney: I have a lot of, um, deja vu dreams. 00:37:36.926 --> 00:37:38.240 those those end up happening. 00:37:39.240 --> 00:37:39.660 Yeah. 00:37:39.810 --> 00:37:42.906 That's, uh, is very eerie at times. 00:37:42.906 --> 00:37:47.796 But, you know, and it's all usually, um, the most random things. 00:37:47.796 --> 00:37:52.866 Like, it's not like a consistently big life changing things. 00:37:52.871 --> 00:37:55.086 It'll just be like driving down the road sometimes. 00:37:55.086 --> 00:37:57.916 And, but it reminds me that that's where I need to be. 00:37:58.466 --> 00:37:58.766 Jody: Yeah. 00:37:58.816 --> 00:37:59.626 Gab: Right, right. 00:37:59.901 --> 00:38:03.550 Jody: Yeah, that's why I was saying like it, it may be totally crazy now, 00:38:03.550 --> 00:38:05.262 but later on it might make sense to you, 00:38:05.327 --> 00:38:05.637 Gab: Yeah. 00:38:06.437 --> 00:38:06.847 Courtney: Awesome. 00:38:06.947 --> 00:38:08.537 You gave me some pretty good ideas today. 00:38:08.957 --> 00:38:09.827 I appreciate it. 00:38:11.449 --> 00:38:11.809 Jody: What do you think? 00:38:11.819 --> 00:38:12.179 Gabrielle? 00:38:12.179 --> 00:38:12.819 You got anything for us here? 00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:15.169 Gab: No, that's all I could think of. 00:38:16.169 --> 00:38:19.244 That's all I Is there any other stories you wanna tell us? 00:38:19.744 --> 00:38:22.394 Courtney: I mean, uh, let me think here. 00:38:22.944 --> 00:38:26.907 I mean, I'll say this, so I feel like maybe there was something, there's 00:38:26.907 --> 00:38:31.227 something through my mom's side of the family, I think, and I think like we all 00:38:31.227 --> 00:38:38.627 have had like this extra like feeling, like when I, I was just a young, young 00:38:38.627 --> 00:38:43.757 child when my, my grandma died and um, as a couple days later, they went 00:38:43.757 --> 00:38:45.227 to the hospital to get her things. 00:38:45.277 --> 00:38:48.987 And like when they were leaving. 00:38:49.227 --> 00:38:52.197 I'm in the backseat talking to somebody, and when they asked me who 00:38:52.197 --> 00:38:53.754 I was talking to, I said, mah-maw. 00:38:54.402 --> 00:38:58.092 So like I feel like there's something, and it's maybe 00:38:58.092 --> 00:39:00.282 followed me my whole entire life. 00:39:00.642 --> 00:39:04.302 And like my mom's like that, like my grandma was like that. 00:39:04.302 --> 00:39:06.892 So maybe it's just in our DNA, 00:39:07.222 --> 00:39:07.642 but 00:39:07.874 --> 00:39:08.234 Gab: Yeah. 00:39:09.234 --> 00:39:11.911 Courtney: Nothing, uh, nothing really else comes to mind. 00:39:12.549 --> 00:39:12.769 Gab: That's interesting. 00:39:13.557 --> 00:39:13.917 Courtney: Yeah. 00:39:14.403 --> 00:39:17.163 Jody: If you don't mind me asking, what, where's your mother's side from? 00:39:17.163 --> 00:39:19.473 What part of the world have they come here from? 00:39:20.023 --> 00:39:26.573 Courtney: So they all are from like the people who came over here. 00:39:26.973 --> 00:39:31.533 Those are from like England, England and like Ireland. 00:39:31.533 --> 00:39:34.793 And I think there's some Scottish in there as well. 00:39:34.879 --> 00:39:35.329 Jody: Yeah. 00:39:35.329 --> 00:39:36.359 Whales and all that. 00:39:36.419 --> 00:39:36.849 Yep. 00:39:37.059 --> 00:39:37.229 Courtney: Yep. 00:39:37.829 --> 00:39:37.959 Jody: Yeah 00:39:37.959 --> 00:39:38.139 Gab: Yeah. 00:39:38.429 --> 00:39:38.857 Gaelic. 00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:41.099 Jody: The only reason I'm asking is because Gabrielle's family, 00:39:41.129 --> 00:39:43.639 uh, she believes it comes from that part of the world too. 00:39:43.979 --> 00:39:44.719 She's Welsh and, 00:39:44.851 --> 00:39:45.061 Gab: Yeah. 00:39:46.061 --> 00:39:47.201 Courtney: Well then that makes sense then 00:39:47.949 --> 00:39:48.309 Gab: Yeah. 00:39:48.611 --> 00:39:48.971 Jody: Yeah. 00:39:49.521 --> 00:39:52.451 Courtney: How in the world they ended up from in West Virginia, I'm not 00:39:52.451 --> 00:39:55.421 for sure, but you know, we're here. 00:39:56.045 --> 00:39:58.955 Gab: And it always interests me 'cause it comes down like through the 00:39:58.955 --> 00:40:04.085 maternal line, like woman to woman to woman, like all the way down. 00:40:04.085 --> 00:40:07.185 And it makes me wonder like, what were our ancestors like? 00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:12.503 Like if this is what we can do and we like, don't really tap into it. 00:40:12.743 --> 00:40:14.393 Like what were they like? 00:40:14.681 --> 00:40:16.493 Were they able to tap into it? 00:40:17.493 --> 00:40:18.783 And what was it like for them? 00:40:19.783 --> 00:40:22.093 Courtney: Oh, they probably got labeled as insane. 00:40:22.093 --> 00:40:22.813 That's for sure. 00:40:22.989 --> 00:40:23.469 Gab: Right. 00:40:23.469 --> 00:40:24.249 Yeah. 00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:26.049 Jody: Or witches and you know. 00:40:26.559 --> 00:40:26.619 Yeah. 00:40:26.619 --> 00:40:27.279 Hung so, 00:40:27.967 --> 00:40:30.337 Courtney: Sometimes it's, it, it feels like, like a good 00:40:30.337 --> 00:40:31.717 thing to have that extra sense. 00:40:31.717 --> 00:40:33.127 And then other times it's like, ugh, 00:40:33.759 --> 00:40:36.414 you couldn't have like kept that away, but. 00:40:37.415 --> 00:40:37.714 Jody: Yeah. 00:40:37.714 --> 00:40:42.015 Well, I mean, my only advice to you would be, when you hear that voice in your head 00:40:42.015 --> 00:40:44.173 again, learn to trust it a little bit. 00:40:44.173 --> 00:40:48.283 It may seem silly as long as you trust it and you act on it and you're 00:40:48.283 --> 00:40:51.073 not hurting other people and you're not getting in the way of your family 00:40:51.073 --> 00:40:51.483 Gab: Or yourself 00:40:51.483 --> 00:40:52.453 Jody: and stuff like that, or yourself. 00:40:52.453 --> 00:40:52.723 Right? 00:40:52.723 --> 00:40:52.960 Courtney: Right. 00:40:53.433 --> 00:40:54.092 Jody: pay attention to it. 00:40:54.588 --> 00:40:55.608 You know, see where it takes you. 00:40:55.786 --> 00:41:00.106 Courtney: Oh yeah, I, I've definitely, I definitely trust it for sure. 00:41:00.106 --> 00:41:03.976 Now, I, uh, I'm gonna take to heart everything that it 00:41:03.976 --> 00:41:05.086 ever tells me ever again. 00:41:05.680 --> 00:41:06.250 Gab: Yeah. 00:41:07.188 --> 00:41:09.697 Courtney: Well I really appreciate you all like letting me come 00:41:09.697 --> 00:41:10.809 on here and share my story. 00:41:10.809 --> 00:41:11.679 That's, that's awesome. 00:41:11.679 --> 00:41:16.029 This is a total first for me and like I didn't know what really to 00:41:16.029 --> 00:41:18.759 expect and you all have made it really fun, so I appreciate it. 00:41:19.081 --> 00:41:19.501 Jody: Thank you. 00:41:19.611 --> 00:41:20.481 Gab: Oh, thanks. 00:41:20.481 --> 00:41:21.231 I'm glad. 00:41:22.401 --> 00:41:25.851 We appreciate you coming on and telling your story and being so open with us. 00:41:26.371 --> 00:41:27.721 Courtney: Thanks for having me. 00:41:27.841 --> 00:41:28.531 I appreciate it. 00:41:29.031 --> 00:41:31.292 You know, hopefully it'll help somebody maybe one day. 00:41:38.384 --> 00:41:40.449 Gab: Thanks everyone for listening. 00:41:40.649 --> 00:41:44.879 If you like, you can check us out on our website for some more information. 00:41:45.279 --> 00:41:47.730 PodcastOfTheParanormal.com. 00:41:48.219 --> 00:41:52.308 You check out the episodes, get some additional information, 00:41:52.338 --> 00:41:54.288 find our social media links. 00:41:54.568 --> 00:41:58.318 There is a contact form there where you can reach out. 00:41:58.588 --> 00:42:02.562 Let us know if you'd like to be a guest or maybe you have topics that 00:42:02.562 --> 00:42:04.242 you'd like us to cover on the show. 00:42:04.572 --> 00:42:06.312 So we'd love to hear from you. 00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:06.790 Jody: Yep. 00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:09.740 Let us know the comments, like, comment, share, all that jazz. 00:42:10.310 --> 00:42:11.750 That really helps us get our show out there. 00:42:12.221 --> 00:42:13.689 Anyway, what do we got next time? 00:42:14.059 --> 00:42:18.379 Gab: My mom is actually coming on to discuss experiences that 00:42:18.379 --> 00:42:19.999 she has had throughout her life. 00:42:19.999 --> 00:42:20.239 Jody: Yeah. 00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:23.400 So this is kind of like a continuation of the, growing 00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:24.630 up in a haunted house episode. 00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:25.120 Gab: Yeah. 00:42:25.659 --> 00:42:27.343 Jody: So looking forward to that one. 00:42:27.357 --> 00:42:28.137 That was a great interview. 00:42:28.137 --> 00:42:31.947 I'm glad she came on and I hope, uh, y'all are looking forward to it also. 00:42:32.211 --> 00:42:32.383 Gab: Yeah. 00:42:32.383 --> 00:42:35.053 I'm pretty excited for everybody to finally hear it. 00:42:36.089 --> 00:42:36.512 Jody: Anyway. 00:42:36.512 --> 00:42:37.772 As always, thanks for listening. 00:42:37.993 --> 00:42:38.923 Gab: See you next time.